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Dave

As I read Esters comments, I have to admit that it seems,she may be trying to use a scare tactic with numbers. Well,I may be wrong but, she seems to be trying to say if everybody don't pay attention to hispanics when we grow up we are going to beat everyone up because it is more of us. I think she has been working her math well..but PHYSICS would have been better. LET's try NEWTONS THIRD LAW.

A force is a push or a pull upon an object which results from its interaction with another object- let's say more than one race. Forces result from interactions! Let's say-Hispanics like to live and make their own communities and shop mostly there group of people, well known fact.

As some forces result from contact interactions (normal, frictional, tensional, and applied forces are examples of contact forces) and other forces are the result of action-at-a-distance interactions (gravitational, electrical, and magnetic forces). According to Newton, whenever objects A and B interact with each other, they exert forces upon each other. When you sit in your chair, your body exerts a downward force on the chair and the chair exerts an upward force on your body. There are two forces resulting from this interaction - a force on the chair and a force on your body. These two forces are called action and reaction forces and are the subject of Newton's third law of motion. Formally stated, Newton's third law is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

So, what I am trying to get across is that more WILL not make a big difference. Accept in one groups eyes. So don't use the old we will be many or else.

Look at Russia, they build more weapons than the USA, we build less..but better. So, don't keep harping on 30 million. Put that beside 200 million other people together and tell me something good. Then understand Newtons Third Law.

Also with 30 million comes,more poor for the welfare system,more inmates for the prisons,more crime,more illiteracy, more diseases, more gangs,etc.etc..

Unless all 30 million will be millionaires, and perfect people from heaven or something, if not. I don't see anything to brag about.

Or maybe, with the 30 million more they can help pay down the deficit, by paying taxes.

I am no where near a racist either.

Timothy Cruickshank

Esther, Welcome home. Regarding the racial breakdown of test scores and reasons for the disparity, I think it is critical that these statistics are maintained. When there is a breakdown in ANY system, the overall performance cannot be improved unless the leading causes of failure are identified, studied and then improved through careful planning. When a number of students are tested and one race of kids are found to fail at a relatively high rate, it does those children no good to simply throw the scores together a compute an overall average. Without a racial breakdown, communities and their leaders have no concrete evidence to look "within" for specific reasons and form solutions. I think you missed the most obvious reason for this higher failure rate among black children - the breakdown of the family - single parent households. There is a lack of "family values" condusive to learning. It is too easy to continue to blame teachers for kids not learning. Perhaps if the teachers I've spoke to weren't so busy performing parental duties lacking in the home (teaching their children manners, kindness, helping others and discipline), they could concentrate more on subjects the students are actually tested on.

blackmamba

From a pure biological perspective there is only one human race in existence today. There are recogizable racial population differences within this race represented by Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Australoasian and Aboriginal.

The notion that Hispanics who can be a member of any one of these races or an admixture of them constitute a race rather than a linguistic and cultural designation is not recognized anywhere but in America. It makes no sense because Hispanics who are volountary immigrants to America just like Europeans, Asians and post slavery Africans can fit into the traditional race categories. Why white Hispanics would be viewed any differently from any other white people makes no sense. When national origin and ethnicity are placed on top of this the notion that you have a unique brown racial category is simply false.

Africans were enslaved by all of the European powers who had colonial or business interests in the Americas. Native Americans were conquered and colonized by all of the same powers. Racial mixing also took place along with cultural/linguistic mixing. These are unique historical factors that are deeply embedded in American history. One drop of Native American or African American blood determined your legal status and fate.

For centuries slavery and legalized discrimination were the lot of Africans in the New World Americas/Carribbean. And because the Spanish tended to not bring their women there was a lot of racial mixing with the Native American population who became colonial vassals. There was discrmination against Hispanics, Asians, the Irish,the Italians and Jews but that pales in comparison to what happened to the Natives and the Africans.

Anglo is the proper analog to Hispanic. This would include all of those people of English linguistic and cultural heritage regardless of race, nationality or ethnicity. But this ignores American historical reality and the present still lingering impact of that reality. White, Black and Native American as defined in America would reflect that reality.

Sara

Esther, you make a good point, and it is well taken. However, I do not agree with the manner in which you phrase it. The "black/white learning and achievement gap" is significant not because of race alone, but because the evaluation serves as a proxy in evaluating the openness and accessability of opportunity in America..... which stems from efforts to reduce and or eliminate the effects of slavery and unfair laws upon African Americans. It is because of structural inequity (written into law) that African Americans have had many challenges. Some Latinos, however, belong to the wider group of "immigrants" and despite large numbers, the U.S. government does not have an obligation to specifically address this community in the same way.

Again, I think that you raise some thoughtful points. But your way of phrasing the argument perpetuates a harmful "black vs. brown" dynamic that does not get us anywhere. The first black president nominated what will be the first Latina Supreme Court justice. So please stop making this an issue of Latinos being ignored. That way of viewing the achievement gap is both divisive and wrong.

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